About the Trinity

[Jesus John]

Dear Brothers,

What is the stand of the Jews and Nasorean Jews about the believe in trinity? (Father-Son-Holy Spirit) We the Muslims dont believe that there is a God which is three parted. What is your stand and believe?

Thank you,

Love

Oguzhan

[RabbiBarry]

Nasoreans consider the doctrine of the Trinity as a falsehood taught by Satan. G-d is One. There is no other. G-d has given the rulership of this Universe over to His Son, Yeshua, the Archangel of the Presence and High Priest of Heaven. He is one as well. The Christ Spirit was created by G-d in the beginning and It created all that is. As the book of Colossians says:

He (meaning Christ) is the image of the invisible G-d (that is, Adam the First One) the firstborn of all creation. For in him were created all things in heaven and on earth, the visible and invisible (meaning the Angels, Demons, Elementals), whether Thrones or Dominations or Principalities or Powers (The authorities of Heaven); all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Colossians 1:15-17.

[dark_knight]

Amen, Rabbi

[miseretur]

The stronger argument that the jeesus is The God, that the bible say: Only God can save, and when salvation is in Christ, they think that prove the jesus is same what Jahve is. It is interesting idea but it is so philosophy that it goes far a way from the text of bible... Have someone read the book of: Arius: Heresy and Tradition by Rowan Williams.
It has some information of that and early church view of trinity?

[Jesus John]

Originally Posted by RabbiBarry

Nasoreans consider the doctrine of the Trinity as a falsehood taught by Satan. G-d is One. There is no other. G-d has given the rulership of this Universe over to His Son, Yeshua, the Archangel of the Presence and High Priest of Heaven. He is one as well. The Christ Spirit was created by G-d in the beginning and It created all that is. As the book of Colossians says:

He (meaning Christ) is the image of the invisible G-d (that is, Adam the First One) the firstborn of all creation. For in him were created all things in heaven and on earth, the visible and invisible (meaning the Angels, Demons, Elementals), whether Thrones or Dominations or Principalities or Powers (The authorities of Heaven); all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Colossians 1:15-17.

Dear RabbiBarry,

I can see that we are more close with you as we are with the Christians. I believe that you and the Jews dont accept Jesus (Peace be upon him) as a divine part of God. Saying that Yeshua the son of God (not as the pyshical and divine meaning, but for the priority and importance) the archangel of the presence and High priest of Heaven is a sign of a great believe and love on Yeshua. I our believe Yeshua will be the most important character in Heaven, this is a close view about your believe on his role as a high priest of Heaven. But in our believe he will not be an archangel in the presence, he will be an intercessor of his nation and responsible of his message. Angels and humans are been different created. Humans are been created from dust, angels from light. The fact is that you dont accept Yeshua as a unique and chosen human, you gave him another role (a flesly body of human, an angel) and praise him to much. We the Muslims dont praise Muhammad (Peace be upon him) as you praise Yeshua because he adviced us no to do this after him. "Dont praise me a lot as the Christians did to Jesus, certainly I am a servant of God. Say only that I am a servant and messenger of God" Muhammad

Love,

Oguzhan

[Archbishop Michael-John]

Originally Posted by miseretur

Have someone read the book of: Arius: Heresy and Tradition by Rowan Williams.
It has some information of that and early church view of trinity?

Dear Miseretur,

I have a list of books to add to the reviews list which will appear shortly, this book is on of them and comes highly recommended!

The trinity was unheard of by the early Church, tertullian first wrote on the concept of the trinity in the 2nd century and took the idea from Greek and Hindu theologies.

[Tannaim]

Salamun 'alaikum and may blessings poured unto us by Lord God,

As an Asian and our close contact with the non-muslim in Asia part of the world which is the Hindus and the Buddhists, we are also familiar with the term of Trinity or Trimurti in its Hindu context.

I believe that this believe was imported into Roman paganism from Hinduism as many Roman and Greeks settled in India and their contact with Indian before Jesus time came. Please refer to a novel written by a South Indian Tamil Literature which is Shilappadikkaram or the the ankle bracelet. This book is not merely a novel but also introduce to us about Hinduism sects belief and it was not written through an imagination but from interviews by a Tamil prince and sage whise name is Illango Adigazh around 9th-10th century which is believed to be the Sangam Periode of Tamil Literature, the translation in English is available by Alain Danielou.

Through history the Greeks contact with the Indian occured during the invasion of India by Alexander the Great. And there are also many Greeks settled in India and inter-married Hindu women from Brahmana caste and becoming the student of the sacred scriptures. Until they became skillful in the Vedic Texts. They are the Ionian or in Sanskrit Brahmin Yadavas. Also other foreign Hindus the Greek Keshatriya Kambujas who travelled until Cambodia and Palavian the Persians.

It is uncertain whether the idea of reincarnation were imported from India or from Greece. Because both seems to have the same belief, you can see it through the cremation of the dead on Pyre or Ghat Upatchara in India and several other Buddhist Kingdoms and in Bali in South East Asia.

And there are also Buddhist Trikaya concept in Mahayana Buddhism. Which is the Trinity of Buddha.

There also a belief among Vaishnava Hindus that Lord Krishna being crossed for his love to human kind, Lord Krishna is one of the avatars of Lord Vishnu who is a part of Trimurti, Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva and Vishnu is the preserver aspect of God in Hinduism. I encourage brothers and friends to read the translation of Hindus and Buddhist liturgical works in English such as Ramayana, Mahabharata, Buddhacharita, and few others to be named to compare their theological systems with the pagans and the RRC because you still can find historical evidences through those mythological things.

Allah knows the best....