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Dispute on Apostasies & Heresies of Roman, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant & assoc'd churches Disputation of Rev Dr Brian B Michael John Mackenzie-Hanson on the Legitimacy of the twenty-one Ecumenical Councils, the Divinity of Jesus Christ, the Trinity, the Petrine Primacy, the Virgin Birth, Idolatry and other Apostasies and Heresies recognised and advocated in whole or in part by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant and associated churches in the face of our Lord’s immutable and irreformable Church. [By letter addressed to the heads of all churches dated Wednesday 31st October 2007]

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Post Thesis 1: Books omitted from the bible.

1. The Apostasy of the Roman Catholic church in 367 AD (ref: letter of Athanasius of Alexandria) and in-turn the Eastern Orthodox, Protestant and associated churches (hereinafter referred to as “the churches”) to alter the arrangement of the 24 Holy books of the Tanakh into the 39 books of the Old Testament; the omission of revered texts from the New Testament and broader New Testament Canons that were appealed to by early Church fathers. Thus rendering the Bible into an incomplete volume of 66 books, excluding the Apocrypha (or Deuterocanonical books).

1.1. The omitted texts include: Baruch, 3 & 4 Maccabees, the 151st Psalm, 3 & 4 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh from either the Roman Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox or Slavonic bibles that are found in the early manuscripts, the omission of revered texts such as the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, Gospel of Thomas, the Apocalypse of Peter and the Didaché (the Didaché was considered by some of the Church Fathers as part of the New Testament but rejected as spurious by others, eventually not accepted into the New Testament canon with the exception of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church “broader canon”. The Roman Catholic Church has recently accepted it as part of the collection of Apostolic Fathers.), and omitting the book of the Apocalypse of Enoch from the Old Testament Apocrypha that is referenced in the New Testament Epistle of Jude 1:14-15.


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1. The Apostasy of the Roman Catholic church in 367 AD (ref: letter of Athanasius of Alexandria) and in-turn the Eastern Orthodox, Protestant and associated churches (hereinafter referred to as “the churches”) to alter the arrangement of the 24 Holy books of the Tanakh into the 29 books of the Old Testament; the omission of revered texts from the New Testament and broader New Testament Canons that were appealed to by early Church fathers. Thus rendering the Bible into an incomplete volume of 66 books, excluding the Apocrypha (or Deuterocanonical books).

1.1. The omitted texts include: Baruch, 3 & 4 Maccabees, the 151st Psalm, 3 & 4 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh from either the Roman Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox or Slavonic bibles that are found in the early manuscripts, the omission of revered texts such as the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, Gospel of Thomas, the Apocalypse of Peter and the Didaché (the Didaché was considered by some of the Church Fathers as part of the New Testament but rejected as spurious by others, eventually not accepted into the New Testament canon with the exception of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church “broader canon”. The Roman Catholic Church has recently accepted it as part of the collection of Apostolic Fathers.), and omitting the book of the Apocalypse of Enoch from the Old Testament Apocrypha that is referenced in the New Testament Epistle of Jude 1:14-15.


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The Apocrypha is exactly that, an Apocrypha, although the books would still be useful.
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" . . . omitting the book of the Apocalypse of Enoch from the Old Testament Apocrypha that is referenced in the New Testament Epistle of Jude 1:14-15. "
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This is not an isolated case. There a number of other passages which are references to other "non-canonical" writings, some now lost to us, which were considered worthy by the authors of works declared to be "canonical".

Is it that they (the authors) considered a given work to be valid as a whole, or did they find merely these specifically cited portions to be worthy of inclusion, rebuttal, expansion or reference ? Either way, the simple fact of their utilisation suggests that these writings were, if not common knowledge, at least known to the authors (and most likely many of the readers) of these "canonical" works.

I imagine that the intellectual ferment of the time was much less stiff, stodgey and doctrinaire than the manufacturers of plaster saints would have us believe.
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1. I submit to you that it is the work of The Church to determine what is scripture as it was Jesus Christ who gave the Church the Spirit of Truth that will lead and guide us. If it is true that the Holy Spirit is with the Church as Jesus is always with the Church until the end of the age Mathew 28:19 than part of the mission of the Church is to enlighten the world to Truth.

1.1 The Holy Orthodox Church hold to the LXX as used by the apostles and Church Fathers and to the canon of the New Testament as chosen in council by guidance of the Holy Spirit.

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The Apocrypha is exactly that, an Apocrypha, although the books would still be useful.

actually the term "Apocrypha" is the name Protestants gave to the Deuterocanonical books of the old testament.
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