The names of God

[Jesus John]

Dear Friends and Brothers,

In Islam we believe that the most beautiful names belongs to the Almighty God. You will find God's names here under. How do you call the Almighty most Merciful and most Gracious God? What are the parallels between The Arianism and Islam in God's names?

The Al-Araf (The Heights) Sura verse 180:

180. The most beautiful names belong to Allah* (God): so call on him by them

*Allah is a special name which is used by God in the Quran instead of God

Allah: The Greatest name which includes all the other names
Ar-Rahman: 1 The All-Compassionate
Ar-Rahim: 2 The All-Merciful
Al-Malik: 3 The Absolute Ruler
Al-Quddus: 4 The Pure One
As-Salam: 5 The Source of Peace
Al-Mu'min: 6 The Inspirer of Faith
Al-Muhaymin: 7 The Guardian
Al-'Aziz: 8 The Victorious
Al-Jabbar: 9 The Compeller
Al-Mutakabbir: 10 The Greatest
Al-Khaliq: 11 The Creator
Al-Bari': 12 The Maker of Order
Al-Musawwir: 13 The Shaper of Beauty
Al-Ghaffar: 14 The Forgiving
Al-Qahhar: 15 The Subduer
Al-Wahhab: 16 The Giver of All
Ar-Razzaq: 17 The Sustainer
Al-Fattah: 18 The Opener
Al-'Alim: 19 The Knower of All
Al-Qabid: 20 The Constrictor
Al-Basit: 21 The Reliever
Al-Khafid: 22 The Abaser
Ar-Rafi': 23 The Exalter
Al-Mu'izz: 24 The Bestower of Honors
Al-Mudhill: 25 The Humiliator
As-Sami: 26 The Hearer of All
Al-Basir: 27 The Seer of All
Al-Hakam: 28 The Judge
Al-'Adl: 29 The Just
Al-Latif: 30 The Subtle One
Al-Khabir: 31 The All-Aware
Al-Halim: 32 The Forebearing
Al-'Azim: 33 The Magnificent
Al-Ghafur: 34 The Forgiver and Hider of Faults
Ash-Shakur: 35 The Rewarder of Thankfulness
Al-'Ali: 36 The Highest
Al-Kabir: 37 The Greatest
Al-Hafiz: 38 The Preserver
Al-Muqit: 39 The Nourisher
Al-Hasib: 40 The Accounter
Al-Jalil: 41 The Mighty
Al-Karim: 42 The Generous
Ar-Raqib: 43 The Watchful One
Al-Mujib: 44 The Responder to Prayer
Al-Wasi': 45 The All-Comprehending
Al-Hakim: 46 The Perfectly Wise
Al-Wadud: 47 The Loving One
Al-Majíd: 48 The Majestic One
Al-Ba'ith: 49 The Resurrector
Ash-Shahid: 50 The Witness
Al-h Haqq: 51 The Truth
Al-Wakil: 52 The Trustee
Al-Qawi: 53 The Possessor of All Strength
Al-Matin: 54 The Forceful One
Al-Wáli: 55 The Governor
Al-Hamid: 56 The Praised One
Al-Muhsi: 57 The Appraiser
Al-Mubdi: 58 The Originator
Al-Mu'id: 59 The Restorer
Al-Muhyi: 60 The Giver of Life
Al-Mumit: 61 The Taker of Life
Al-Hayy: 62 The Ever Living One
Al-Qayyum: 63 The Self-Existing One
Al-Wajid: 64 The Finder
Al-Májid: 65 The Glorious
Al-Wahid: 66 The Only One
Al-Ahad: 67 The One
As-Samad: 68 The Satisfier of All Needs
Al-Qadir: 69 The All Powerful
Al-Muqtadir: 70 The Creator of All Power
Al-Muqaddim: 71 The Expediter
Al-Mu'akhkhir: 72 The Delayer
Al-Awwal: 73 The First
Al-Akhir: 74 The Last
Az-Zahir: 75 The Manifest One
Al-Batin: 76 The Hidden One
Al-Walí: 77 The Protecting Friend
Al-Muta'ali: 78 The Supreme One
Al-Barr: 79 The Doer of Good
At-Tawwib: 80 The Guide to Repentance
Al-Muntaqim: 81 The Avenger
Al-Afuw: 82 The Forgiver
Ar-Ra'uf: 83 The Clement
Malik al-Mulk: 84 The Owner of All
Dhul-Jalali
Wal-Ikram: 85 The Lord of Majesty and Bounty
Al-Muqsit: 86 The Equitable One
Al-Jami: 87 The Gatherer
Al-Ghani: 88 The Rich One
Al-Mughni: 89 The Enricher
Al-Mani': 90 The Preventer of Harm
Ad-Darr: 91 The Creator of The Harmful
An-Nafi: 92 The Creator of Good
An-Nur: 93 The Light
Al-Hadi: 94 The Guide
Al-Badi: 95 The Originator
Al-Baqi: 96 The Everlasting One
Al-Warith: 97 The Inheritor of All
Ar-Rashid: 98 The Righteous Teacher
As-Sabur: 99 The Patient One

With Love,

Oguzhan

[Danage]

The names for Allah would be suited also to the G-d of Christianity and Judiasm, in some way. The Roman Catholic Church and most of the Free Catholic Churches (not neccessarily an Arian Catholic belief) believe that G-d has many adjectives (the beads I think are these adjectives). Ultimately the way to describe G-d may be 'Perfect Good', or 'Goodness, with the complete absence of wrong and evil'. Please comment on this.

[dark_knight]

I have covered this partly in another occasion, but I value you brought this up.
I have no problem whatsoever to accept these adjectives of God. I consider them titles or attributes, not Names, like my name is Henrik and I am finnish, but finnish is my attribute, no my name. Though this distinction between name or attribute is bit irrelevant.
More so, I believe God has given One Name of himself in the Bible. That is Yahweh. I'd like to hear what you think of the Divine Name Yahweh?

-Henrik

[Jesus John]

What does Yahweh means? Can you explain it please?

Thanks,

Oguzhan

[Danage]

YHWH, the Tetragrammation, means 'I am what I am'. This is the reply G-d gave to Moses when he asked who He was in Exodus.

[Jesus John]

Dear Danage and Henrik,

Yes I accept the name YHWH or Yehowah which points the only one God. It doesnt care to God with which name you call him in our believe because the aim is important not the names. We know this from the Quran.

There is a verse in The Al-Isra (The Night Journey) Sura verse 110:

110. Say: "Call upon Allah*(God), or call upon Rahman*(God): by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names

And here is the verses about the speech between Moses and The Almighty God in the Ta-Ha Sura 9-14

9. Has the story of Moses reached thee?
10. Behold, he saw a fire: So he said to his family, "Tarry ye; I perceive a fire; perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find some guidance at the fire."
11. But when he came to the fire, he was called: "O Moses!
12. "Verily I am thy Lord! therefore put off thy shoes: thou art in the sacred valley Tuwá.
13. "I have chosen thee: listen, then, to the inspiration (given to thee).
14. "Verily, I am Allah*(God or YHWH or anything you call him). There is no God but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for My remembrance

*Allah or Rahman are special names which are been used by God instead of God in the Quran

Thanks for your information

With Love,

Oguzhan

[Danage]

Dark knight noted from a quote from Paul's Letter to the Romans that Christians should not be afraid to say the name of G-d.

However, in Judaism it is discouraged, and even writing the word 'G-d' is not encouraged either. However, the words 'Adonai' (the Lord) and 'HaShem'/'Hashem' (the Name) are used in place of the word 'G-d' on occasion, or even just leave the vowel out of the word 'G-d'.

I respect that you believe there are many ways in which you may call Allah. While in Judeao-Christian thought there are many adjectives to describe G-d, using them as names was not unknown, such as 'Most High' (Daniel 7).

[dark_knight]

The Yahweh means "He Who IS", it is akin as Dan showed, to Ehey asher Ehey, which means "I am that I am". Other person says "Yahweh" (He), and He can say (I).

There is more to this Sacred Name than just a statement on existence.
It also covers the the whole fact that He Was, Is and Will Become!
He can become whatever He pleases, He fullfills His promises. He is the Self Existent and Eternal.

This Name is important because of the Scripture. I know that Jewish and Christian superstition has erased the pronunction of this name, but clearly the Scriptures show us that it was used in daily life by ancient believers. Thus, though I do not want to over-ephasize it, I will proclaim His name.

Following are some Scriptures, that clearly shows that this is THE Name of One God. It is NOT one name among many, or a mere title, but the name He wants us to know about himself.

Fist observe what Moses wrote:

Exodus 3:15

Then God said once more to Moses:
“This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘YAHWEH the God of YOUR forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to YOU.’ This is my name to eternity, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation


Psalm 83:16-18.

Fill their faces with dishonor,
That people may search for your name, o YAHWEH.
O may they be ashamed and be disturbed for all times,
And may they become abashed and perish;
That people may know that you, whose name is YAHWEH,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth

Isaiah 42:8

I am YAHWEH That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images

-Henrik

[RabbiBarry]

You shall not take the name of YHVH, your G-d, in vain. For the YHVH will not leave unpunished him who takes His Name in vain.

This Mitzvah is one of the Ten. It forbids Jews from saying the name of G-d except in the most extreme situations. In order to avoid disobeying this Mitzvah, we use euphemisms instead of it like Adonai, HaShem, Eloah, Shaddai, etc. It is not forbidden to write the name. It is forbidden to say the name. It is permitted to write the name on something, but that thing becomes sacred thereafter. That is why we do not destroy a book that has the Name written in it.

This Mitzvah, like all of those Mitzvot given by the Archangel to Moses on the mountain are binding only on Jews. Perhaps that fact makes it clear that only those who are spiritually Israel have accepted YHVH as their G-d.

Another habit of ours is the wearing of a kippah or hat. When one wears a hat, one is a slave. Masters had umbrellas carried by slaves to protect them from rain or sun, but slaves did not have such luxuries. Wearing a hat is a sign of slavery. Jews do not bow the head to any earthly being because they have only one Master, YHVH, and they do not duff their hats to any earthly authority because the hat symbolizes their commitment to their Master.

Now it is true that Paul tried to instruct the Gentiles that these laws were not applicable to them, but if you would become Israel you must obey these laws.

[RabbiBarry]

Ar-Rahman: 1 The All-Compassionate
Al-Qahhar: 15 The Subduer
Al-Khafid: 22 The Abaser
Al-Jalil: 41 The Mighty
Al-Matin: 54 The Forceful One
Al-Muhyi: 60 The Giver of Life
Al-Mumit: 61 The Taker of Life
Al-Muntaqim: 81 The Avenger
As-Sabur: 99 The Patient One

While all the names of G-d that you have written are true aspects of G-d, Jews are concerned that when one uses a name, one limits G-d. Any name tends to particularize and therefore tends to dimenish the whole, the Oneness, of G-d. The concept of the Emanations that are inherent in the study of the Kabbalah give us ten names which we are quick to point out are not G-d, but emanations of His Light. They are Crown, Wisdom, Understanding, Mercy, Strength or Judgment, Beauty, Victory, Glory, Foundation and Kingdom. All the emanations are true. All are parts of the aspects of G-d, but none is G-d. How can G-d be all-compassionate at the same time that he is the Taker of Life. We know that He can, but the How question diminishes his Oneness. Names like Questions challenge the Oneness. It is for this reason that Kabbalah forbids us to speculate on Ain Sof, what He is and How He does what He does. Ain Soph provides light. We do not know how. When it comes to the How of G-d, Jews are agnostic. We can speculate on the How of the Tree of Life, but not on the Nature of the Light itself.

The Sufis have likewise been contemplating these great ideas for a very long time. Some have dared to conclude that a particular name is greater than all names. Others refuse to speak a name. Allah seems safe. In Hebrew, Allah means the unknowable and unknown G-d. Ain Soph is both unknowable and unknown.

In the earliest times, Ain Sof was called El Elyon, G-d Most High. Perhaps we should have left it that away.

[dark_knight]

Dear Rabbi,

While I subject myself to the decalogue, I interpret the saying haSchem in vain means not refusing to utter it, but respecting it and giving it honor. Some translations say "Do not use YHWH's name disrespectfully", maybe you know if that is not correct translation?
Cursing with his name, mocking it, using it carelessly, that is forbidden. The Commandment does not say "do not utter it" - man's traditions do - and Yeshua told we ought to follow God's will instead of man's.
Neverthless, I respect an individual or a group and their view, if they refuse to utter the Name.

I believe we can know God. Paul said on Areiopagus (The Mars Field) that he had come to proclaim, what hellens worship as unknown, and that in this Gospel Era, He is made known by the Emmanuel, Yeshua - for he is His perfect image.
Even so, God the Father will always and for eternity remain more or less unknown to us, for He Is, and we...just aren't...self existent ever, even in immortality.

By the way, Rabbi, would you add or remove something from my definition of the meaning of haShem?

-Henrik

o:)

[RabbiBarry]

Ha Shem means The Name. We all know which name that is.

[Danage]

Yes, this is why Jews put a hyphen in place of the 'o' of G-d, unless they leave it as it is. So, if you write 'G-d' on a board you can rub it off afterwards, but if you put it in full, then it should not be wiped off. It can only come off naturally, e.g. with a book, after it disintegrates (not burnt etc.) then it is fine.

[RabbiBarry]

Because we will not destroy a name with HaShem's name written out in it, we have to have Genizot. Genizot are rooms in a synagogue where we place old books while they are deteriorating. The Great Synagogue in Cairo is a major facility of Judaism in Egypt. It has a huge Genizah. Scholars began to look through its more than 10,000 scrolls and found wonderful treasures. One of those treasures is most important for modern research. A partial copy of the Community Rule, known more popularly as the Damascus Document, was found in 1910 in the Cairo Genizah.

Because of the find of the Community Rule and because of an early record that the Patriarch of the Chaldeans sent to his Metropolitan in Ctesiphon-Seleucia, we know that the caves around Qumran were accessed as early as the 7th century CE. That access helps to explain why Cave 4 was in such disarray and further why so much of the floor was littered with scraps of the scrolls. This is a most important cave because much of the fragments that have proven so exciting were found there. It is my theory that the information that was recovered from Cave 4 was instrumental in the Karaite Reform in the middle of the 7th century. Professors James Tabor and Devon Showley have both written me recently supporting this position. It is important information for a portion of my book A Nasorean History which I am now writing.

[Danage]

I have heard Christians 'pronouncing' the Name of the Lord. One of the Christians, my Ethics teacher from September 2004 to July 2006, even wrote the Name down in full.

I was pretty shocked at this until my TA (teaching assistant), herself a Christian, said that in Christianity, as compared to Judiasm, it is fine to say the name of the Lord. However, since I believe we cannot ever comprehend in full, or know in full (rather than believe), who G-d is, then we should not use His name, for it is His alone, and He is the greatest, none are greater and as we are all sinners then we should not say or write the holiest (set apart and pure) name.

[dark_knight]

Ha Shem means The Name. We all know which name that is.

Sorry, I didn't mean you to state what "haShem" means, but what Yahweh means - if I'd stated that correctly. :o


Yes, this is why Jews put a hyphen in place of the 'o' of G-d, unless they leave it as it is. So, if you write 'G-d' on a board you can rub it off afterwards, but if you put it in full, then it should not be wiped off. It can only come off naturally, e.g. with a book, after it disintegrates (not burnt etc.) then it is fine.

Though I respect this practice if done under pressure of conscience, I see no reason to follow it and I see it rather superstitious - while truth shall make us free and because of Jesus, we can call God our Father and call him by Name.

[Danage]

It can be seen as an act of respect to not pronounce the name of the Lord, to say His name, or even 'G-d'. The Lord is set apart, pure (holy). We are not, we are all corruptable, sinful human beings, hence are we worthy to say it. In Jewish law to say G-d's name was punishable by stoning, if I remember correctly.

As they say, "let he [or she, I might add] who is without sin cast the first stone". Of course this saying (I don't think) existed in ancient Israel, but to say his name was blasphemous, and a breach of (I think) holy, Biblical and (definately) ancient Israelite law.

[dark_knight]

Nowhere in the Torah or the whole Tanakh it is forbidden to pronounce the Name of the LORD. To use it disrespectfully, was one guilty of stoning - but all major biblical characters used that Name and no one of them was stoned.
Only Talmud and tradition forbids it.

[Jesus John]

In our believe there isnt a rule for using God's name or names. Maybe the rule which is for Jews is only for him. Maybe it has a reason. I love to use most of his names to call Him. In Quran it doesnt matter with which name you call Him. The important thing is the purpose while you are praying. God understands all of the languages because He creatured all o them.

[Danage]

The holy name is set apart, pure, hence should we really be allowed to say the Name? I believe we are not worthy to say it, for all have sinned.

[dark_knight]

Moses and David sinned, even so they pronounced the Name.

[Danage]

One of them was a great prophet, one of them a great king, so perhaps they were exempt from this rule.

[RabbiBarry]

Moses, the brother Aaron, stood before the Ark of the Covenant and before the Archangel in all his glory so much that his face was transfigured. He knew the name of G-d and it was lawful for him to call on G-d whose slave he was. He was a Priest of the Melchizedek, not of Aaron, appointed by the Archangel in his incarnation as Melchizedek to that high office.

David likewise was a Messiah, that is Anointed. He was Anointed to the Kingship by the last Judge, Shamuel. The Archangel in his great mercy allowed David to touch the Ark which only a Priest can touch. Therefore, as he was not a priest of Aaron, he must have been a Priest of Melchizedek.

They were permitted to say the name as exalted intercessors.

[Danage]

So I am right in saying they were exempt?

[dark_knight]

All the other better or worse people in Tanakh pronounced ha Shem. In Talmud it is said that one of the 'faults' of Yeshua was to utter the Tetragrammaton.

[Danage]

The name of the Lord should surely be uttered by those who are without sin, but since I believe Yeshuah the Nazarene led the Jews astray and created a new denomination in Judaism, rather than uniting it, he was sinful, but this all depends on what one believes.

[RabbiBarry]

So I am right in saying they were exempt?

Yes. They were exempt because they were Meshiachot, Messiahs.

[RabbiBarry]

All the other better or worse people in Tanakh pronounced ha Shem. In Talmud it is said that one of the 'faults' of Yeshua was to utter the Tetragrammaton.

I will ask you to prove this statement. When did Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Micah, etc. pronounce the sacred name. Yeshua was the High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek as was his brother, Ya'akov. They were entitled to say the name. Ya'akov was executed because he said the Name in the Holy of Holies on Yom Kippur.

[RabbiBarry]

The name of the Lord should surely be uttered by those who are without sin, but since I believe Yeshuah the Nazarene led the Jews astray and created a new denomination in Judaism, rather than uniting it, he was sinful, but this all depends on what one believes.

As the result of sin is death, only two people were sinless: Enoch and Elijah. They never died.

[RabbiBarry]

Congratulations Danage on your designation as an Archdeacon.

Rabbi Barry

[Danage]

"Congratulations Danage on your designation as an Archdeacon.

Rabbi Barry"

Oh yes. Thank you.

So if someone were sinless then death is not the natural result? Is this the main reason that Christians believe that their Messiah died for their sins, as he was believed to be without sin, and thus if he was to die it may as well be to take the place of others? I am now beginning to understand Christianity more than I did before.

I was a Christian, but logic dicatated that the doctrines of Christianity were wrong. The biggest problem? The Trinity. I never understood it, and yet accepted it as Gospel. When I rejected the Trinity I looked to Islam and Judaism, for I did not believe that Arians survived the Papacy's attacks in the 5th and 6th centuries, and I rejected Christianity altogether, not believing that acceptance of Jesus/Yeshuah as Messiah but not as G-d and not accept Muhammed (pbuh) was acceptable.

I looked into the mother religion of Christianity, and accepted Jewish beliefs after looking into the Book of Revelation (both Jewish and Christian).

[RabbiBarry]

So if someone were sinless then death is not the natural result?

Paul says: The wages of sin are death, but the gift of G-d is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23. The entire chapter is built on faulty and fallacious reasoning. Typical of Paul.

Is this the main reason that Christians believe that their Messiah died for their sins, as he was believed to be without sin, and thus if he was to die it may as well be to take the place of others?

It can be that or it could be this claim by Paul: "For a dead person has been absolved from sin. If then we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him." Romans 6:7-8. This faulty reasoning runs throughout his letters. Obviously, others never died. So, Jesus died for his sins.

I looked into the mother religion of Christianity, and accepted Jewish beliefs after looking into the Book of Revelation (both Jewish and Christian).[/QUOTE]

And this is the major point I have been trying to make and which I have managed to interest at least five scholars in pursuing; I believe that there have been two Judaisms. One Judaism believes in G-d as did Arius and Origen and the kabbalah. Another believes in G-d like the Rabbinical Jews. The Essenes and the Nasoreans are one. Certainly I am not the first to say that; it was said before in Hiram's Key and Professor Israel Finkelstein, the eminent archaeologist of Judea. They represented this First Judaism which had been forced underground by King Josiah's reforms. The other Judaism believes in the G-d of Josiah represented in Deuteronomy.

Nasoreanism, as formulated by James, lives on. It has not died. It was secret until 1985 and then began to come out of the closet. The Marranos and the Crypto-Jews are the survival of that ancient faith. They believe in the Mass and attend the Mass, but they believe in their Jewish tradition as well and go home to do those things.

I have dared to formally announce my presence to my disciples, to the public and to scholars. I believe the Truth needs to be presented. I rejoice at the foundation of this Arian Catholic Church. I think it needs more scholars. I think it needs more careful review of its doctrines which remain, imho, much to Catholic and Protestant. I think it is on the right track. I can not join because I have major exceptions to some of the Archbishop's stated views. But, I can applaud his courage and can applaud his attempt and can lend advice when requested.

I hope the Archbishop and I can one day conclude a concordat by which two rites can exist: one Nasorean with its traditions and beliefs in tact and another Arian Gentile with its ancients beliefs restored.

[Danage]

This would be difficult at any rate. Although both Arian Catholicism and Messianic Judaism have good aims and intentions Arian Catholicism would have to also reject the early Council (I think the Council of Chalcedon, but I can't be sure), and thus abandon the second part of the name: 'Catholicism'. The councils can be seen to have corrupted the Christian church to the point of heresy being triumphant over every Jewish belief.

To reject the early council and accept Jewish beliefs in full would be a restoration of the early Christian church. However, to do it in it's infancy would incur the wrath of the Trinitarian Churches (more specifically the Roman Catholic, Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Churches), to the point of extermination.

[dark_knight]

This would be difficult at any rate. Although both Arian Catholicism and Messianic Judaism have good aims and intentions Arian Catholicism would have to also reject the early Council (I think the Council of Chalcedon, but I can't be sure), and thus abandon the second part of the name: 'Catholicism'. The councils can be seen to have corrupted the Christian church to the point of heresy being triumphant over every Jewish belief.

To reject the early council and accept Jewish beliefs in full would be a restoration of the early Christian church. However, to do it in it's infancy would incur the wrath of the Trinitarian Churches (more specifically the Roman Catholic, Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Churches), to the point of extermination.

I dare make an assumption (with no authority, though!) that Arian Catholic Church does not subscribe to any post-nicene creed (Nicene included). Even the name "Arian" fills the hearts of Trinitarians with burning hatred, that we are already in line of their attacks. I talked to guy I know, a pentecostal, he had read my statement of believes and was SO angry that I thought really that he's going to attack me physically.
This is why the ACC, in my view, needs an Order of consecrated Knights. I am willing to go thru any tests or training to achieve the Knighthood.

-Henrik

[Danage]

Maybe it isn't the Council of Chalcedon, but I'm sure there was a council of the Roman Empire that the ACC accepted.

[RabbiBarry]

The first general council of the Church was the Council of Jerusalem presided over by the High Priest, Ya'akov ha Tzaddik aka James the Just. The next general council was the Council of Nicaea, some 260 years later. The Arians accepted the ruling of the first council but Arius was condemned at the second council. The Arian Catholic Church never accepted any of the rulings of Nicaea I or II, Chalchedon, etc.

[RabbiBarry]

You misunderstand me. The Roman Church has 17 rites. The Arian Catholic Church could have two rites: one for Nasoreans who are of Jewish descent and keeping the Torah, one for Gentiles just keeping the Noachide Laws.

[Danage]

Oh. I apologise.

[Postulare42]

Are we "Arian", "ante-Nicene", anti-Nicene, anti-trinitarian, anti-Roman Catholic, anti-this-that-or-whatever-else-reactionaries, yet another "historic recreation society", Christian, Xian, . . . or disciples of Jesus ?!?

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The "rite" which were given us by our Master were the Lord's Prayer, good works, a humble and repentant stance toward God, forgiveness for each others' failings, a redefinition of the Pesach meal, and teaching others what we have learned.

"...When you pray do not use many words as do the heathen..."

"...go into your closet..."

To me, the rest seems to be, at best creative community windowdressing and, at worst the first steps toward all the evils of the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, Doctors of the Law, and the institutions of both Eastern and Western orthodoxies.

"...My way is easy and my burden light..."

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My researches tend me to see a very Judeo-Coptic character to many of the forms of art, music, architecture, illumination, collective prayer structure, and liturgy of the pre-Nicene church. This changed as "the church" got all of those political converts when it went all imperial administration under Constantine.

:'(

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[Tannaim]

YHWH, the Tetragrammation, means 'I am what I am'. This is the reply G-d gave to Moses when he asked who He was in Exodus.

It means "Oh He". Check Arabic exclamatory word Ya means Oh and Huwa means He. I have talked about this in other thread I think.

Many words in Hebrew is co-related and almost common. Such as the particle Al- in Arabic and Hebrew Ha-. Take the word Ha-Shem it means the same with Al-Ism, Al-Ismun in full pronounciation.

Also check the Ismaili Arabic words as example Baitullah, Baitullaham, Al-'Aliyyoun, Youm-us-Sabt. Whether they are corresponding to sister Hebrew.