Return of Arian Catholicism

[Danage]

I quote that this forum is for 'Discussions on Eschatology, or End Times Theology, and the claims of links between the return of Arian Catholicism and the Prophecies of Daniel'.

I am genuinely intrigued as to the claims. Would someone be willing to explain these to me?

Thank you.

[Danage]

Would anyone explain the claims to me, please? The prophecies of Daniel refer to the rise and fall of Alexander the Great's empire, and the Roman Empire, but I find no clue as to the return of Arian Catholicism.

[David Kone]

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Daniel 12:2 -3

These verses refer to the Satan's Empire of Ignorance and Deceit whether it is Babylon, Rome, or the modern controllers of human thought. The people of the earth have been asleep to the truth. St.Arius fought against those who forced them into the sleep of false indoctrination. The wise are now called to shine forth their brightness. Those who have foisted upon us by intellectual slight of hand the trinity doctrine and those who have sleepily followed along can not be counted among the wise. The Church of Arian Catholicism has loosed the bonds that have kept us from even honestly discussing the so called heresy that marked the beginning of the political control over the minds and souls of millions of believers under the guise of establishing Catholicism.

[Danage]

Thank you for explaining it David Kone. Which churches could call themselves the churches of everlasting life, and which are the churches of everlasting contempt?

I may also note that the verse is ambiguous. It could refer to a revival of Judaism, the Protestant churches, or the Christian Book of Revelation's Church of Philadelphia. However, as to which church, or churches, the Church of Philadelphia is/are, is another question altogether.

[Danage]

The churches of everlasting contempt I must assume would be interpreted as Trinitarian and Binitarian churches, while Arian, and possibly Unitarian churches, are the churches that will attain everlasting life?

[Matt2817]

Thank you for explaining it David Kone. Which churches could call themselves the churches of everlasting life, and which are the churches of everlasting contempt?

I may also note that the verse is ambiguous. It could refer to a revival of Judaism, the Protestant churches, or the Christian Book of Revelation's Church of Philadelphia. However, as to which church, or churches, the Church of Philadelphia is/are, is another question altogether.

Grace and peace to all!

Danage, I can certainly appreciate your desire for understanding what churches are those belonging to everlasting life, or everlasting contempt.
I too, was under heavy conviction in spirit to determine a similar issue for myself several years ago.

What I would suggest is a thorough reading of the parable of the wheat and the tares recorded in Matthew chapter 13.

This eschatological parable has two kinds of people symbolised by the wheat (good) and tares (bad). What I find interesting is that both are to be found upon the earth until judgement day.

The fact that they are together until then should speak to us about how difficult it is for us to determine individually, who will be in the kingdom.

It can also be noted that "everlasting life" churches, or individual disciples of Master Jesus, will bear fruit of righteousness. Their deeds will confirm their faith to those around them. "Tares" are weeds, and by extention, do not bear any kind of beneficial fruit.

While we may not be able to make any final arbitration upon who will or who will not be found in the kingdom, we can be fairly confident that those who make a practice of performing good works, and habitually seek the best of others will have a better chance of being there than selfish or hypocritical types.

*There is an old joke about a recently deceased person finding his way to heaven. Upon arrival, saint Peter begins to show him around. They pass before a room from which the sounds of chanting are heard. Peter declares that our catholic friends are inside. Next, they pass a room from which is heard the most beautiful hymns; Peter states, baptists call this room home. After passing another 40,000 rooms they finally arrive at a place from which is heard heart-felt preaching and railings against any and all who will not conform to their way of thinking. Saint Peter informs the new arrival, we must be quiet when passing this room. Inside are fundalmentalist evangelicals. They think they are the only ones here!

Without sounding too much like one who believes that everyone will eventually be saved, I hope that this illustration might inform us that many will be found in the kingdom that we might not expect. Perhaps two of those found will be us? This is my prayer.

In blessing, bless
Wayne Matthew

[Matt2817]

Would anyone explain the claims to me, please? The prophecies of Daniel refer to the rise and fall of Alexander the Great's empire, and the Roman Empire, but I find no clue as to the return of Arian Catholicism.

Danage, David Kone's highlighting of Daniel 12 is an excellent example of Jewish apocalyptic writing. Please note that it declares that, many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt [emphasis mine].

We are not told here who but only that many will be resurrected. We are not told that all will be resurrected (although the word many can mean all). We are told that some will be inhieritors of everlasting life and some will be resurrected to everlasting contempt.

There is NOTHING in Daniel that proclaims a re-instatement of Arian Catholicism, Protestantism, or any of the host of other modern denominations or sects. What theologians have extrapolated from Daniel is a course of history broadly laid out in Daniel chapter 2:31-45. It is from this dream of Nebuchadnezzar in which a great image is seen as representing the world's political governments until the end of the age. Not the religious systems per se of those kingdoms. Although it could be argued that religious systems would be part and parcel of political control.

These governments, or kingdoms are given animalistic characteristics, i.e., leopard, bear, etc. . This should not go unnoticed for the symbolism of the beast appears over and over throughout scripture in reference to the kingdoms of men. This is seen most poignantly in the book of Revelation in counterpoint to Daniel's interpretation of that dream.

*Aside: It has always puzzled me why the king of Babylon was seen as the head of gold in this dream. Was Babylon the "best and brightest" of world government? Perhaps. Why? Because king Neb's rule was total and absolute. His word was law. There was no room for dissent in the realm of politics or religion; democracy or popular opinion was not an option. This is held in contrast to increasingly democratic governments and religious syncretism to follow throughout history.

It should not surprise us that a revival of Arian Catholicism does not find its way into the pages of Daniel. Nonesuch was known to that time. What we do find is an ever increasing denegration of human forms of government until that rock not cut by human hands comes to set up an everlasting kingdom. The kingdom of G-d upon the earth.

In blessing, bless
Wayne Matthew

[Obadiah]

I always thought that verse was referring to the resurrection at the final judgment. :idea:

[Obadiah]

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Daniel 12:2 -3

These verses refer to the Satan's Empire of Ignorance and Deceit whether it is Babylon, Rome, or the modern controllers of human thought. The people of the earth have been asleep to the truth. St.Arius fought against those who forced them into the sleep of false indoctrination. The wise are now called to shine forth their brightness. Those who have foisted upon us by intellectual slight of hand the trinity doctrine and those who have sleepily followed along can not be counted among the wise. The Church of Arian Catholicism has loosed the bonds that have kept us from even honestly discussing the so called heresy that marked the beginning of the political control over the minds and souls of millions of believers under the guise of establishing Catholicism.

The Hebrew states: " v'rab-beem me-y'she-ney ad-math a-phar
ya-qe-tzu el-leh l'kha-yee o-lam v'el-leh la-kha-ra-photh l'dir-oth o-lam."
Translation of verse two: and multitudes of the sleepers of the earth of dust they will awake, these to lives of everlasting, and these to shames to contempt of everlasting.
verse three: v'ham-mas-ki-lim yaz-he-ru k'zo-har ha-ra-qi-a
u-matz-de-qey ha-rab-beem ka-ko-ca-veem l'o-lam va-ed."
Translation of verse three: and the ones being wise they will shine like brightness of the heaven, and ones leading to righteousness of the many ones like the stars to everlasting and ever.
I believe this is referring to the final resurrection of the dead, because it talks about the sleepers of the dust of the earth.

[Archbishop Michael-John]

<SUP>1</SUP>"At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.

<SUP>2</SUP> And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

<SUP>3</SUP> Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
In Daniel 12:2 "Sleep" is a euphemism for death, as the context in the dust of the earth illustrates. "Awake" is a reference to resurrection. Though this passage appears to refer to a general resurrection, other passages suggest that there is more than one (see John 5:25). It is not unusual for prophecy in the Old Testament to present events separated by a considerable span of time as if they occurred in immediate relationship to each other (see Isaiah 61:1-2). Daniel is simply saying that after the tribulation, many, both righteous and wicked, will be raised.

This resurrection of many of the righteous seems to be a reference to the resurrection of Israel (see "your people" in Daniel 12:1), but note the references to "everlasting life" and "shame and everlasting contempt" which suggest a spiritual resurrection to salvation and damnation.

In Daniel 12:3 "the wise" not only understand salvation themselves (see 2 Timothy 3:15), they also turn many others to the way of righteousness.

If we are approaching the Millennial Sabbath (we are currently in year 5768 of the Hebrew calendar, 232 years away!) then as David was saying: it is up to "the wise" to try to save as many souls as possible; that roll is falling on the followers of Christ's true doctrines, that includes us in the Arian Catholic Church, as what we do now - will echo later!

In the grace of our Heavenly Father, through Immanuel,

[Danage]

In Daniel 12:2 "Sleep" is a euphemism for death, as the context in the dust of the earth illustrates. "Awake" is a reference to resurrection. Though this passage appears to refer to a general resurrection, other passages suggest that there is more than one (see John 5:25). It is not unusual for prophecy in the Old Testament to present events separated by a considerable span of time as if they occurred in immediate relationship to each other (see Isaiah 61:1-2). Daniel is simply saying that after the tribulation, many, both righteous and wicked, will be raised.

This resurrection of many of the righteous seems to be a reference to the resurrection of Israel (see "your people" in Daniel 12:1), but note the references to "everlasting life" and "shame and everlasting contempt" which suggest a spiritual resurrection to salvation and damnation.

In Daniel 12:3 "the wise" not only understand salvation themselves (see 2 Timothy 3:15), they also turn many others to the way of righteousness.

If we are approaching the Millennial Sabbath (we are currently in year 5768 of the Hebrew calendar, 232 years away!) then as David was saying: it is up to "the wise" to try to save as many souls as possible; that roll is falling on the followers of Christ's true doctrines, that includes us in the Arian Catholic Church, as what we do now - will echo later!

In the grace of our Heavenly Father, through Immanuel,

You meant to say there are other followers of Jesus' true teachings other than those of Arian Catholicism?

[Archbishop Michael-John]

You meant to say there are other followers of Jesus' true teachings other than those of Arian Catholicism?

No! There can only be one true doctrine of Christ, but there are many paths to the Kingdom of God.
:reveek:

[Danage]

No! There can only be one true doctrine of Christ, but there are many paths to the Kingdom of God.
:reveek:

I see. Many paths to G-d sounds like the many paths to G-d of Sikhism.

[Archbishop Michael-John]

I see. Many paths to G-d sounds like the many paths to G-d of Sikhism.

Well, it could also sound more like Buddhism and the noble eight-fold path to the Kingdom of God!!! But that's NOT what I'm talking about!

There are many ways to worship God and to follow the teachings of Christ, yet invariably all these paths converge with Christ's true teachings. Otherwise it wouldn't be the true teachings of Christ and would instead be apostasy!

For example there are Christians (both clergy and faithful) who have not yet found or heard of the Arian Catholic Church yet in their hearts they are true Arian Catholic! We must reach those people and welcome them into our Church; and we must also reach those who have been lead astray by false doctrine if they and we are to be saved!

And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

¹⁷ "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear a word from My mouth, and give them warning from Me: ¹⁸ When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die, and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. ¹⁹ Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

²⁰ "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die; because you did not give him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. ²¹ Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man that the righteous should not sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; also you will have delivered your soul."

[Danage]

Well, it could also sound more like Buddhism and the noble eight-fold path to the Kingdom of God!!! But that's NOT what I'm talking about!

There are many ways to worship God and to follow the teachings of Christ, yet invariably all these paths converge with Christ's true teachings. Otherwise it wouldn't be the true teachings of Christ and would instead be apostasy!

For example there are Christians (both clergy and faithful) who have not yet found or heard of the Arian Catholic Church yet in their hearts they are true Arian Catholic! We must reach those people and welcome them into our Church; and we must also reach those who have been lead astray by false doctrine if they and we are to be saved!

Now I understand you.

'Many are called, but few are chosen' - does this mean many are called to minister the religion, but few are chosen to lead it, a bit like 'Many fall (to false religion or for the religion and denomination in question, to defend it) but one (either one church, one person as minister or otherwise) remains'.

[Postulare42]

So it again boils down to: What is the message of Jesus?

Also, "sleep", "death" and "life" can mean other things, too. When Jesus said, "...Let the dead bury their dead. You follow me..." and "...This is eternal life: to know You, who are the only true God..." and when referring to Lazarus, said, "...he sleeps..." Jesus was speaking far from literally.

In the parable of the prodigal, "...who was dead, is alive...".

So, if the sheep and goats are to be separated on this basis, just what IS the doctrine of Jesus . . . rather than the doctrine about him? Soteriology rather than christology.

"...I come to bear witness to the truth..."
"...Let those with the ears, hear..."

The issue is FAR from rhetorical, don't you think ?

[Matt2817]

So it again boils down to: What is the message of Jesus?

Also, "sleep", "death" and "life" can mean other things, too. When Jesus said, "...Let the dead bury their dead. You follow me..." and "...This is eternal life: to know You, who are the only true God..." and when referring to Lazarus, said, "...he sleeps..." Jesus was speaking far from literally.

In the parable of the prodigal, "...who was dead, is alive...".

So, if the sheep and goats are to be separated on this basis, just what IS the doctrine of Jesus . . . rather than the doctrine about him? Soteriology rather than christology.

"...I come to bear witness to the truth..."
"...Let those with the ears, hear..."

The issue is FAR from rhetorical, don't you think ?

Dear Postulare42,

You ask thoughtful questions! Indeed, what was the message of Jesus?

Sleep = death
Death = an un-awareness to the mysteries and princples of divine living.

In effect, we all need to "awake" from this state of spiritual or literal slumber (whether in this life or at the resurrection). Paul and Isaiah both spoke of this, as did Jesus when he said, "Lazarus is asleep...he is dead." And in the case of Jarius' daughter..."the child is not dead but asleep, and they laughed him to scorn."

The context should help us in determining whether or not the reading should be taken as literal or metaphorical. Yet, even in this, it is important to understand the greater message. Sleep, blindness, and darkness have important lessons for us.

Your ref to the Prodigal is but one example. Was the prodigal literally dead? No. He was spiritually dead. Yet, he came to his senses and returned, thus being figuratively or parabolically "alive."

Let the dead bury their dead, is another example of this idiom.

But when we come to other passages such as in 1 Corinthians 15:21ff and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 these are speaking literally of death. Death from which we must be resurrected and judged. And here is where the question of soteriology comes to the fore.

Who will be saved? Who are the sheep and goats? And if G-d desires that all (men) be saved - as 1 Timothy 2:3,4 informs us, what do we do with such severe eschatological/soteriological passages?

Far from rhetorical, indeed! Entire denominations have been built upon such similar passages. By this I mean Calvinism and its Reformed daughters.

Before I stray too far afield, I would recommend a study of universal salvation (http://frimmin.com/faith/godislove.html) , the restitution of all things (http://www.savior-of-all.com/restitution.html) , the Restoration of all things as taught by the early fathers (http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/miscellaneous/ChurchFathers.htm)for your edification. While this may not answer all your querries in this subject, it should form a decent basis upon which to examine any soteriological arguments dating from the apostles through the first 500 years of church history.

Yours, in Christ's love, I remain
+Wayne Matthew

[Matt2817]

Your Grace, I wanted to touch again upon this topic and ask your favour in responding...


Well, it could also sound more like Buddhism and the noble eight-fold path to the Kingdom of God!!! But that's NOT what I'm talking about!

There are many ways to worship God and to follow the teachings of Christ, yet invariably all these paths converge with Christ's true teachings. Otherwise it wouldn't be the true teachings of Christ and would instead be apostasy!

For example there are Christians (both clergy and faithful) who have not yet found or heard of the Arian Catholic Church yet in their hearts they are true Arian Catholic! We must reach those people and welcome them into our Church; and we must also reach those who have been lead astray by false doctrine if they and we are to be saved!



Intriguing! How do we decide who are worshipping correctly? Is the Buddhist who adheres to the eight-fold path any less "saved" than the backsliding Christian? Would it matter if the backslider is a non-Arian?

Before there were ANY denominations of christendom, Arian or Athanasian, Apollos, or Petrine, there was the Sermon on the Mount and the call to worship in "spirit and truth" (cf. Matt 5-7; John 4)

Your pronouncement strikes me as dogmatic as the RCC's edict that there is no salvation outside the Roman Church. Catechism below:


"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 (http://javascript<b></b>:openWindow('cr/846.htm');) How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?<SUP>335</SUP> Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

<DL><DD>Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.<SUP>336</SUP>

</DD></DL>
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

<DL><DD>Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.<SUP>337</SUP>

</DD></DL>848 (http://javascript<b></b>:openWindow('cr/848.htm');) "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."<SUP>338</SUP>

335 Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21:PL 3,1169; De unit.:PL 4,509-536.
336 LG 14; cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5.
337 LG 16; cf. DS 3866-3872.
338 AG 7; cf. Heb 11:6; 1 Cor 9:16.
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Is your pronouncement held up in corallary or is this something else?

Are those who never heard the gospel apostate? How so? Are those who live godly lives outside the fold of Arian-Catholic hermenuetics damned?

We must be careful to recognise that provisions have been made for those who have not heard of Christ. Noahide Laws (http://www.noahide.com/7laws.htm) are the Biblical standard for such non-Christian/Messianic peoples. (also Acts 15) And those otherwise who have no hope, have been given hope even if they do not realise it. A certain perogative has been extended. A perogative outside any Church council; a perogative of conscience. Who are we to condemn?

Please assist me in understanding.

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+Wayne Matthew Mari

[Danage]

Are those who never heard the gospel apostate? How so? Are those who live godly lives outside the fold of Arian-Catholic hermenuetics damned?

If I may be so bold as to answer this question, from my own viewpoint.

I believe that those who have never heard the divine truth (whatever it may be) shall be judged on their works, while those who have heard, and rejected, the divine truth are as good as sinners.

[Matt2817]

If I may be so bold as to answer this question, from my own viewpoint.

I believe that those who have never heard the divine truth (whatever it may be) shall be judged on their works, while those who have heard, and rejected, the divine truth are as good as sinners.

Danage, grace and peace!

Nicely stated. You picked up on my points precisely. The Noahide laws and those proclaimed by the Jerusalem Council in Acts chapter 15, were/are works based. I believe that they also speak to a common morality available to all peoples.

Thanks for the input.

In blessing, bless

Wayne Matthew Mari

[Br. Thomas]

Thank You,+Bro. Michael, for placing the passages in question in their Scriptural perspective. This passage is speaking of the resurrection.

[TwoWitnessesUSdotcom]

In Daniel 12:3 "the wise" not only understand salvation themselves (see 2 Timothy 3:15), they also turn many others to the way of righteousness.

If we are approaching the Millennial Sabbath (we are currently in year 5768 of the Hebrew calendar, 232 years away!) then as David was saying: it is up to "the wise" to try to save as many souls as possible; that roll is falling on the followers of Christ's true doctrines, that includes us in the Arian Catholic Church, as what we do now - will echo later!

In the grace of our Heavenly Father, through Immanuel,

Let us not make the mistake of most modern eschatologists (trinitarian, dispensationalists, main stream christianity).

The "Resurrection" began chronologically on the end of the 3rd day and 3rd evening after the High Passover, when Messiah rose from the dead (sundown on Saturday evening).

All who are raised from the dead take part in Messiah's resurrection! It extends to us spiritually first, then physically. So, it will not be a finished work until "all of Israel shall be saved."

Messiah came to save the Jew! He was sent unto the house of Israel and his resurrection is Israel's resurrection! This is where modern eschatologists fail miserable. They see Christ as a "Roman" savior and are completely self absorbed, to the point that they now say "I have a hope that Israel will obtain to what we, the gentiles have, namely salvation."

They turn the prophetic completely UPSIDE DOWN because it is the GENTILE who is benefitting from ISRAEL and NOT the other way around. Messiah is Israel's Messiah and the Gentiles are BLESSED ENOUGH that they can be included and have a part in that resurrection! This is the proper humble approach of the gentile to the prophetic in scripture and it is severely lacking in today's modern world because the Christ they preach is barely Jewish. He's a "Roman Christ" a Man/God worshipped and adored by the Pagan Roman Empire!

God has recently shown me (through the Spirit) that Israel will come to the Holy Spirit and Messiah will develop within them STRICTLY APART from Christianity!

In the end times the question of the hour will not be "is Israel following the Roman Christ?" But the question will be "is the Roman influenced world following Israel's Christ?"

Sadly, for most, the answer will be no.

In the end when Messiah returns he will cut asunder everyone who does not have "Messiah in you."

Guess what. Israel is already beginning to PREACH Messiah in you (they just don't realize that Messiah has already been here and has died for them).

In this day and hour the most important work we have on earth is to present the TRUE MESSIAH to Israel (who is not a Man/God but is the Son of God).

The more we separate ourselves from the Trinitarians and denounce their heresy the closer our salvation nears!

I believe that the Arian movement is the beginning of the end for this present world. ALL of the prophecies point to it. It is the "revealing of the antichrist" and exposes "the son of perdition" (all in the kingdom who offend, cannot cease from sin, and rely on GRACE alone to save them).

I thank God for not just the Unitarian believers but the Arian Catholics (neither group has even begun to realize the prophetic significance their faithfulness has).

Messiah comes!

Israel shall be saved (both Jew and believing Gentile).

Praise YHWH.

[Danage]

Israel shall be saved (both Jew and believing Gentile).

Praise YHWH.

Praise be to Eloah! The problem we Jews have is that we are not the House of Israel. I am probably one of the only Jews who recognises this fact. The House of Israel went into captivity into Assyria. The House of Judah, of which I am a part, is the Jewish race that went into captivity via the Babylonian invasion (the head of gold in Daniel's vision).

Also, from what I can tell, God says that whatever He desires will come true (in the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible, Old Testament)), but in the Tehudah (New Testament) He is meant to have said that He wants to save everyone.

That's just my view on this.

[Postulare42]

Perhaps Danage could expound a bit on the Jewish calendar and the "double sabbaths" of the High Holy Days.

[Danage]

Perhaps Danage could expound a bit on the Jewish calendar and the "double sabbaths" of the High Holy Days.

The Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar, as you will know. The Jewish calendar that I use is the Hillel Calendar for convenience and for Jewish unity, as compared to the calculated calendar, with uses the sighting of the Rosh Chodesh (New Moons) and the Aviv barley to calculate the start of months and the beginning of the year.

The 'High Holy Days' are a creation of the Rabbinic Jews, something I don't follow. I keep to Yom Teruah (Day of Shouting, the non-Rabbinic form of Rosh HaShanah) and Yom Kippur as two separate sabbaths and holy days,l and thus do not recognise them as 'High Holy Days', as all holy days are high holy days.

[Postulare42]

At the time of the Temple, the double sabbaths served to adjust the calendar, much as leapyears do ours today.

But counting from the traditional day of Yeshua's execution on Friday, there would follow two Saturdays, then a Sunday. Lacking the double Sabbath our calendar would read Monday.

[Danage]

At the time of the Temple, the double sabbaths served to adjust the calendar, much as leapyears do ours today.

But counting from the traditional day of Yeshua's execution on Friday, there would follow two Saturdays, then a Sunday. Lacking the double Sabbath our calendar would read Monday.

As an aside to what you have said, I have set myself the task of trying to find out when Rosh HaShanah 31 C.E. was, being 1st Aviv, which would give us a very clear Julian or Gregorian date for the crucifixion and resurrection of the Messiah.

Getting back to what you say, I'd be careful of saying that Joshua was resurrected on a Sunday, as this could be seen to be lending credence to the festival of Eostera. Please, don't take it the wrong way, but we must be careful, as I'm sure you'll agree.

Shalom.