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RabbiBarry
10th December 2006, 02:52 PM
Some New Mexicans claim Jewish roots
One theory says their ancestors fled the Inquisition for the Spanish Southwest.
By MATT CRENSON
The Associated Press


RANDY SINER | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Roman Catholic priest Bill Sanchez keeps a menorah in his office in Albuquerque N.M. Sanchez’s DNA has a set of markers that is found in about 30 percent of Jewish men.


RUIDOSO, N.M. | Within weeks of becoming New Mexico state historian, Stanley Hordes started receiving odd visitors. They would enter his Santa Fe office, close the door — and gossip about their neighbors.

“So-and-so lights candles on Friday nights,” they would whisper.

“So-and-so doesn’t eat pork,” they would say.

The young historian was intrigued. Though the people Hordes spoke with were clearly Catholic, they reported following an array of Jewish customs. They talked about leaving pebbles on headstones, lighting candles on Friday nights, abstaining from pork and circumcising male infants.

When Hordes asked why they did such things, some said they were following family tradition. Others gave a more straightforward explanation.

“Somos judios,” they said. We are Jews.

A quarter century later, Hordes has a stirring explanation of how Judaism got to New Mexico. Like so many Jewish stories it is an ancient and epic tale of triumph against overwhelming adversity.

And like so many of those stories, it requires a certain suspension of disbelief.

In the spring of 1492, Jews in Spain were given two choices: convert to Catholicism or leave. Many left. Many others abandoned their religion for Catholicism.

But a few of those who converted did so only publicly, continuing to practice Judaism in secret.

Modern scholars have found a few communities of “crypto-Jews” that survived in both Iberia and the New World for centuries, hiding their religion.

In his 2005 book To the End of the Earth: A History of the Crypto-Jews of New Mexico, Hordes suggests that many crypto-Jews found their way to the northern frontier of the Spanish colonial empire.

There they continued to observe their religion behind locked doors. “They were invisible,” Hordes said.

But the very same secrecy that protected Judaism in the Spanish Southwest eventually doomed it. The people had no synagogue, no Torah. By the 20th century, Hordes concludes, all that was left were a few suggestive customs.

For Sonya Loya, there’s nothing vague about it. Growing up Catholic in Ruidoso, N.M., Loya was intensely spiritual. But she never identified with Jesus or Christianity.

Loya began observing the Jewish sabbath, Shabbat, six years ago, about the same time that she learned about the secret Jewish past being uncovered by Hordes and other scholars. She was thrilled at the possibility that she might actually have Jewish heritage.

“I believe that what drew me back home to who I am is my Jewish soul,” Loya said.

Not only did her father give his blessing, Loya said, but he revealed that he had known since childhood that he had Jewish ancestry. An uncle, returning from World War II, had seen the family name among a list of concentration camp inmates.

Bill Sanchez always felt Jewish too. But not that Jewish; he’s a Catholic priest.

Sanchez discovered his Jewish roots after having his genes tested by a Houston-based company called Family Tree DNA. The company determined that he has a set of genetic markers on his Y-chromosome that is also found in about 30 percent of Jewish men. The tests even indicated that Sanchez has a genetic signature that has been associated with the Cohanim, a priesthood that is said to go back to Moses’ brother Aaron.

Since then Sanchez has embraced his Jewish heritage.

Like Hordes, folklorist Judith Neulander was fascinated by the stories. But hearing for herself, she grew increasingly uneasy.

People talked about playing as children with a four-sided top that resembled a dreidel. But dreidels first appeared among Central and Eastern European Jews well after 1492. How would the descendants of Spanish Jews who fled Europe during the Inquisition have known anything about them?

“All of it just doesn’t really hold up when you examine it carefully,” said Neulander, who is now co-director of the Jewish Studies Program at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland.

She concluded that the notion of a Jewish heritage must have been brought to the Southwest by evangelical Protestant missionaries from one of several small sects who considered themselves descendants of a lost tribe of Israel.

Sanchez hopes to make the case with DNA.

Alec Knight, who was working in an genetics lab a Stanford University, recruited a handful of colleagues for a simple study. They took DNA samples from 139 men.

There were a few individuals who did have typically “Jewish” profiles, but no more than you would find in Spain, due to the presence of Jews there before 1492.

When confronted with the genetic evidence, Hordes quickly points out that genes are not culture. Besides, he adds, he never said that the early European settlers of the Southwest were overwhelmingly Jewish.

Neulander: “The notion that you’re somehow indomitable, that there can be such a thing as a miraculous survival, is so comfortable, so buoyant to the spirit, that it’s very hard to let go.”

Danage
10th December 2006, 06:54 PM
Is this in reference also to the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel? There are many theories on where the Lost Ten Tribes went. One theory is that they are the British and British-descended peoples, another states they are modern Native Americans.

RabbiBarry
10th December 2006, 08:32 PM
When the Nasoreans came with the Muslim invaders to Iberia, they were welcomed by the Muslims as brothers and friends. Although they were never first class citizens, some Nasoreans rose to very high office, including the Grand Vizier. When the Spanish Christian forces began to take back the Peninsula, they first tolerated the Jews and Nasoreans, but increasingly in the period from 1300 until 1492, the Christians opposed the Nasoreans because they were practising Catholicism in public by attendance at Mass and performance of other Catholic rituals while lighting candles to welcome the Sabbath, keeping Passover and the other great feasts, and circumcizing their children in secret. The Rabbinicals were not punished by the Spanish because they were not deceiving the Inquisitors, but increasinly the Nasoreans were rounded up, tortured and burned at the stake. Even such prominent Nasoreans as St. Therese of Avila and her confessor, St. John of the Cross, were persecuted. Finally, in 1492, Isabella and Ferdinand expelled all Jews and Nasoreans from Spain.

An Italian Jew, Christopher Columbo managed to obtain the funding from Isabella to make a voyage to India by going West rather than east. He gained the support of the Militia Christi and of Prince Henry the Navigator. The Militia Christi were the remnant in Portugal of the Knights of the Temple or the Knights Templar. They had always been sympathetic to the Nasoreans. Columbo got three crews together, all of whom were Nasoreans except for the Chaplain and two crew members and they sailed to the West. Eventually, many Nasoreans secretly left Spain and moved to New Mexico, which, of course, was part of Nueva Espana at the time. They established themselves in New Mexico and continued their secret practices.

They began to openly admit to their Marranos or Nasorean status in 1985 and this newspaper article is about them. I am a Nasorean Rabbi. I was ordained in 1985.

dark_knight
11th December 2006, 08:14 AM
Very interesting story rabbi!
I don't want to seem overly sceptic or rude, but would you happen to have some proof that Columbus and his crew were jews/nasoreans?

RabbiBarry
11th December 2006, 11:11 PM
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/911014_Columbus.html
http://www.saudades.org/ccolumbusvoyage.html
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/COLUMBUS.htm
http://www.jewsinamerica.com/pages/2/index.htm

And there are many more.

dark_knight
12th December 2006, 08:21 AM
Thank you! I'll be reading these! Again and again you seem to be provider of interesting stories that shake the foundation of 'politically correct' world view :D Very good.

David Kone
12th December 2006, 06:47 PM
Thank you again for a great post. I was aware of the claim of Christopher Colon’s ancestry. The sources you give certainly lay out a strong case. It is interesting that the facts that must have always been known about his ancestry only come to light when the unsavory details of his character has been brought to light by modern historians. As long as he was the golden hero he was a great Italian. Knowing a little of Spanish history I find the accounts of Jewish involvement in the discovery and formation of the Spanish Empire fascinating. Before those ships of discovery set sail Spain was home to perhaps the most diverse stock of people on earth. Iberians, Basques, Phoenicians, Romans, Goths, Arabs, Africans and Jews all contributed to that extraordinary culture that was soon to flood across the globe.

Postulare42
8th May 2007, 05:17 AM
Second only to the combined varieties of Scandinavians . . .who conquered the entire world. :vbgrin:

holyguyver
4th August 2007, 05:16 AM
Second only to the combined varieties of Scandinavians . . .who conquered the entire world. :vbgrin:

Which also included Goths :p :)

David Kone
12th October 2007, 08:32 PM
Coming to a repeated dead while doing some genealogical research into Phalz-Bavaria during the early 1700's, a certain fact about the popularity of the name Coenen and its derivatives, among both Jews and non-Jews, led me to think that perhaps another line of crypto-Jews may indeed be right here in Pennsylvania. It also appeared to me that there is a remarkable similarity between the way the orthodox Jews I see in Brooklyn dress and the way certain conservative religious groups in Pennsylvania also dress. So I did a search on Mennonite and Jew which resulted in this excellent work: http://www.mennoniteisrael.org/images/pdf_files/mi-w-i-w.pdf

Mennonite Israel: The Woman in the Wilderness; A MENNONITE ISRAEL.ORG publication. P.O. Box 29020 St. Catharines, ON, L2R 7P9 Canada

Postulare42
12th October 2007, 09:58 PM
The Phalz-Bayern District experienced several periods similar to that during the reign of Isabela in Espana, resulting in many conversos of a Deutschlander stripe. I have similarly wondered about the Moravians. It is almost a vanishingly small step from stetl to commune.

Thanks for the link. I am entranced by the beauty.

It is startling to me to have to consider that one or more of the Cohenim may have sold out for mere survival, but history is history and humans are humans.

To find Cohenim in your ancestry does not surprise me in the least, David. I know of more than one who would be happy to instruct you in the proper hands symbols and words of blessing for the High Holy Days, and for the annointing of the sick.

Shalom, (and "Live Long And Prosper" ;))

David Kone
13th October 2007, 12:57 AM
Not quite so clear cut. The common ancestor of the Kone - Coon families of the Pennsysvania Dutch was most likely Johan Gohn. Only on one site have I found the curious note added that another name for Johann was Coen which may be one of the permutations of Coenen. http://www.redappledesign.com/worley/625.htm

Also there is some confusion. The records that I have, which may be inacurate, list this person as Adam Simon Gohn but there were three Gohns who arrived on the Thistle out of Rotterdam in 1738 who were possibly brothers; Hans Adam, Fielip, and Johann.

The blessing for anointing the sick would be useful. I already know how to do the Spock Hand gesture. ( "Live Long And Prosper" )

Yochanan
29th December 2007, 06:24 PM
Well Rabbi Barry I know that the History of Portugal is not well known around the world maybe because it is an exception in all Iberia countries. Portugal has stablished frontiers more than 900 years ago, quite one thousand years, and with French Celtic origin and this means that Portugal is the oldest country of the world with stablished frontiers.
Now, there is a mistake with your History of Cristobal Columbo (Cristovão Colombo) - a Jewish name de per si, yes -, or Christopher Columbo and relative to Portugal and to Spain. All has happened the other way around. Because the King of Portugal have not accepted the Cristobal Columbo project by advise of the Prince Henrique the Navigator (Infante D. Henrique o Navegador) he has recurred to the Castilla Queen Isabela the Catholic were he has obtained all the funding to make the voyage to India by going to East. 'Rather than East' it is also an error once that the project of going to India was a deep Portuguese secret at that time that only appeared to public after the Tordesillas treated between Portugal and Spain: the division of the world by these two countries. Also Critobal Colombo could not ever got the support of the Militia Christi because all of them, together with the Principe D. Henrique the Navigator, was under secrecy - by the protection of the king of Portugal -, at the Ponta de Sagres (Sagres cape) at the most Western part of Algarve (South of Portugal).
Other point that is deep important is that the Militia Christi was not the remnant of the Templar Knights in Portugal once that Portugal systematically (and even today) since the beginning of this country, does not accept orders from the Vatican and this is a strong Portuguese Celtic aspect.
So, when the Vatican ordered the abolishment of the Templar Order the unique thing that the King of Portugal did has been to change the Order´s name and this way have change it from Order of the Temple to Order of Jesus. In Lisbon you can observe the first Cathedral of the world built to this "new" Order - also without the Vatican acceptance -, like also the first Cathedral of the Western World dedicated to Jesus but, because the Portuguese are this way hahahaha, they never have call it Cathedral (and even not today), they gave the name of Basilica in order to show how together the Order of Jesus was with The Eastern Ortodox Church. So, if anyone will came to Lisbon and will desire to see this Temple please all ways ask for the Basilica of Jesus and never use the word Cathedral for it because no one will answer you. This Basilica of Jesus is near of the Jardim (Garden) da (of the) Estrela (Star).
The Marranos in Portugal begun to be admitted and recognized as jewish at Belmonte Synagogue (like at the Lisbon Synagogue also), around 1978 being all stablished in 1981.
From Portugal with LOVE this your Sabra Sepharad jewish friend
Yochanan

Yochanan
29th December 2007, 06:33 PM
«...he has recurred to the Castilla Queen Isabela the Catholic were he has obtained all the funding to make the voyage to India by going to East. » I wanted to say West.
Sorry
Yochanan
:krolleyes:

Danage
29th December 2007, 07:35 PM
Well Rabbi Barry I know that the History of Portugal is not well known around the world maybe because it is an exception in all Iberia countries. Portugal has stablished frontiers more than 900 years ago, quite one thousand years, and with French Celtic origin and this means that Portugal is the oldest country of the world with stablished frontiers.
Now, there is a mistake with your History of Cristobal Columbo (Cristovão Colombo) - a Jewish name de per si, yes -, or Christopher Columbo and relative to Portugal and to Spain. All has happened the other way around. Because the King of Portugal have not accepted the Cristobal Columbo project by advise of the Prince Henrique the Navigator (Infante D. Henrique o Navegador) he has recurred to the Castilla Queen Isabela the Catholic were he has obtained all the funding to make the voyage to India by going to East. 'Rather than East' it is also an error once that the project of going to India was a deep Portuguese secret at that time that only appeared to public after the Tordesillas treated between Portugal and Spain: the division of the world by these two countries. Also Critobal Colombo could not ever got the support of the Militia Christi because all of them, together with the Principe D. Henrique the Navigator, was under secrecy - by the protection of the king of Portugal -, at the Ponta de Sagres (Sagres cape) at the most Western part of Algarve (South of Portugal).
Other point that is deep important is that the Militia Christi was not the remnant of the Templar Knights in Portugal once that Portugal systematically (and even today) since the beginning of this country, does not accept orders from the Vatican and this is a strong Portuguese Celtic aspect.
So, when the Vatican ordered the abolishment of the Templar Order the unique thing that the King of Portugal did has been to change the Order´s name and this way have change it from Order of the Temple to Order of Jesus. In Lisbon you can observe the first Cathedral of the world built to this "new" Order - also without the Vatican acceptance -, like also the first Cathedral of the Western World dedicated to Jesus but, because the Portuguese are this way hahahaha, they never have call it Cathedral (and even not today), they gave the name of Basilica in order to show how together the Order of Jesus was with The Eastern Ortodox Church. So, if anyone will came to Lisbon and will desire to see this Temple please all ways ask for the Basilica of Jesus and never use the word Cathedral for it because no one will answer you. This Basilica of Jesus is near of the Jardim (Garden) da (of the) Estrela (Star).
The Marranos in Portugal begun to be admitted and recognized as jewish at Belmonte Synagogue (like at the Lisbon Synagogue also), around 1978 being all stablished in 1981.
From Portugal with LOVE this your Sabra Sepharad jewish friend
Yochanan


Yochanon,

It is likely the Rabbi willl not answer your post as the forums are very empty at the moment.

I thank you for the explanation. I will be sure to say Basilica of Jesus rather than Cathedral in Portugal. Portugal having stable borders for over a thousand years comes as new information for me. I know England is the first nation state, but I didn't know that Portugal was not that far behind. I thought the Portugeuse stablished their borders during the Reconquista. I was also surprised to read that they, like England, flaunted Papal authority on many occasions.

Danage
29th December 2007, 07:42 PM
One thing to add, you can edit your posts by clicking on the edit button at the bottom right of the post you made (so long as it is within a certain amount of time, I think 24 hours). Hope this helps.