Trinitarian Salvation?

[Augustines Error]

Greetings everyone!
I'd like to know everyones opinion on the salvation of trinitarians.
Are they saved or is there salvation in question due to their near politheistic belief in their three-faced God?

I don't know just how broad a spectrum John 3:16 covers.
Sure the trinitarians have given their hearts to the Lord. But they are persistently breaking the first commandment!
I certainly cannot condemn anyone; I pray for them day and night, but I find the definate salvation of trinitarians somewhat questionable.

Can I have your two cents?

God Bless You All

Joe

[christopher]

that is an age old question. the only things i can say is the answers is clowdy at best, the muslims believe thatv worshiping jesus (called shirk) is the only un forgivable sin in the eyes of God becouse he destroyed many civilization for their polythistic practises and im a bout to start rambling so all i can say is that only God knows but we must strive to witness to them the gravity of their error in the site of God and that they may have redemption, and then salvation

yours in all
christopher

[David Kone]

No one today has perfect understanding of the first teachings of church. They who worship trinatus, however, will be judged by that they were given and what they did with it. It is not good for those who were given to question the truth of this teaching and then either sought not the truth or hid their hearts from the truth so they could be accepted by men. May we all come into full understanding in the Lord.

[Masamune]

I must say that there is no clear indication of what "saves" a person. Jesus said that "everyone who believes in him may have eternal life" John 3:15, The Bible In Living English. But, I believe that is just the beginning, a prerequisite to attaining salvation. Benjamin Franklin had an idea which has always struck me as being full of wisdom, that there is nothing that we can do to assure us of the gift of eternal life. He believed that as sinful imperfect creatures, we cannot do enough good in our lives to earn salvation; salvation is instead only through the grace of God. However, I believe that the only way for those of us who have the knowledge of Jesus's life and death to be in line for salvation, is to have faith that our ransom has been paid by Jesus, whom God deemed worthy.

[Br. Thomas]

I must say that there is no clear indication of what "saves" a person. Jesus said that "everyone who believes in him may have eternal life" John 3:15, The Bible In Living English. But, I believe that is just the beginning, a prerequisite to attaining salvation. Benjamin Franklin had an idea which has always struck me as being full of wisdom, that there is nothing that we can do to assure us of the gift of eternal life. He believed that as sinful imperfect creatures, we cannot do enough good in our lives to earn salvation; salvation is instead only through the grace of God. However, I believe that the only way for those of us who have the knowledge of Jesus's life and death to be in line for salvation, is to have faith that our ransom has been paid by Jesus, whom God deemed worthy.

Amen! Those who "...endure 'til the end shall be saved."

With the Love of Christ,
+Br. Thomas

[Danage]

I must say that there is no clear indication of what "saves" a person. Jesus said that "everyone who believes in him may have eternal life" John 3:15, The Bible In Living English. But, I believe that is just the beginning, a prerequisite to attaining salvation. Benjamin Franklin had an idea which has always struck me as being full of wisdom, that there is nothing that we can do to assure us of the gift of eternal life. He believed that as sinful imperfect creatures, we cannot do enough good in our lives to earn salvation; salvation is instead only through the grace of God. However, I believe that the only way for those of us who have the knowledge of Jesus's life and death to be in line for salvation, is to have faith that our ransom has been paid by Jesus, whom God deemed worthy.

I see your point there. "[E]veryone who believes in him may have eternal life" - note the 'may'. People who believe in Jesus/Yeshuah may have eternal life, but they may not.

[LeviathanNI]

I supose it is a tangent of one of the most debated questions, and where faith plays a part. At the end of the day, none of us truely knows, but we have faith in our convictions, which we hold to be true. Whether they are or not is something we will all discover sooner or later.

[David Kone]

Personal salvation has never been of particular interest to me. When I pray it is usually for the protection of my family. The greatest salvation is for those whom we love. This is why bringing to light the true understanding of Christ is so important and why false teaching, such as trinitarianism, is so perilous. It is an unfounded notion that clouds everyones understanding of the nature of salvation. Noah saved not just himself but also his family and mankind, by his standing in righteousness before God.

One may on the surface assume that if I am in error and I maintain my conviction to myself then only I will suffer the consequences of my belief and no one else. Or that I may cause others to be in error only by teaching false doctrine or by withholding the truth from them in any manner so that they fail and then they too suffer. While this seems reasonable, man’s salvation is not simply linked to each individual’s salvation. The presence of a few righteous individuals may be the salvation of a whole society. The story of Lot and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra is the most well known example. We as a society have been preserved by those few who in spite of all the pressures to do otherwise have remained loyal to the fundamental requirements of walking with God.

A man who should be up for sainthood is Isaac Newton. He looked into his faith and saw the truth. The reward for his holy dedication was deep insight into the laws of God, the mathematical laws that govern the physical universe. His trinity was force, mass, and acceleration. His revelation brought about a revolution of technology that has freed millions from the back breaking consequences of ignorance. There is a direct correlation between his standing before our Lord with honest eyes which bought him understanding of the falseness of trinity doctrine and his understanding of the falseness of the old physics. His righteousness improved the lives of millions. When we follow the teachings of men we are like the blind leading the blind. Unless enough individuals continue to walk with God we are all in jeopardy of stumbling blindly into the pit.

One man, Jesus the Christ, saved the many though his love of his Father and of us. His sacrifice proved that mankind is still worthy to occupy this planet. We as individuals in Christ bring honor before the Lord to our families and our communities. We can save those who falter in beliefs and in acts by our righteousness and by maintaining the Holy Catholic Union that is the true body of Christ based on Love of God and of his children. :reveek:

[Andreas]

To be saved mean to be in the Lord Jesus.
I think that the Bible is enough clear about it. If you don't know that you are vrong (you never learn about the verity), it will be pardon for you. But, the one who know difference between trinity and unity of God and don't choose to believe in the Unity of God and in Jesus as God's First Child, is out of the Way.
Andreas

[Danage]

I agree with the notion that Trinitarian (and hence Binitarian) churches are polytheistic in nature, but most just follow their ministers (or vicars) and bishops and do not read the Christian Bible for themselves, so maybe not all are to blame for their ignorance.

[Danage]

Something else to consider is that is it morality, belief or both that guarentee one's right to enter Heaven?

[Postulare42]

Jesus seemed to be most concerned with 1) demonstrating in his own person all those qualities about God which were possible within human form; 2) fulfilling within his every act and word the proclamations and promises of God; 3) demonstrating through word and deed the true spirit of God's prescriptions for our good; and 4) refuting the misinterpretations and ossified traditions of the Israelite culture of his time.

He taught and exemplified that it is our inner approach to God that gives substance to the outward forms of our observances . . . observances which are damnable without the proper internal economy, in fact.

Such I have believed.

[Postulare42]

"...to those that believe will be given the power to become the sons of God..."

The emphasis seems to be placed upon, "...the power to become...".

Personally, I will not place limits upon where God chooses to bestow His "undeserved kindness" (grace). There are too many accounts in the Gospels wherein Jesus reached out to those rejected by the status quo, himself "...the stone which the builders rejected...".

The early history of Xiandom is rife with what might best be called exclusions. Now, in the time of the reemergence of the truth, should we take them as our teachers?

"...My father's house has many mansions..."

Let us at least consider that we should "...know the tree by the fruit that it bears..."

"...And these are the fruits of the spirit ; Love, Joy, Peace, Kindness, Mildness, Goodness, Moral Certainty, Endurance and Self-Control...".

"...I am the vine and you are the branches. My Father is the Gardener. . .Any who do not bring forth fruit shall be cut away..."