Arianism Must Reads

[Jason]

How about a thread on which texts are essential to have for the modern Arian?

[dark_knight]

I just throw few suggestions:

Holy Bible, the Apocrypha, Hebrew and Greek lexicons, concordances, books about early church/Arius, about Michael Servetus, Church history, secular history...

[Danage]

How about specific books and texts?

I can't name any myself, but there are probably many that are available.

[dark_knight]

Here's couple good books available cheaply from many places.

They Never Told Me This in Church! A Call to Read the Bible with New Eyes
by Greg Deuble

The Doctrine of the Trinity: Christianity's Self-Inflicted Wound,
by Anthony Buzzard and Charles Hunting

Out of the Flames: The Remarkable Story of a Fearless Scholar, a Fatal Heresy, and One of the Rarest Books in the World
by Lawrence Goldstone, Nancy Goldstone

[Danage]

Thank you. I'll look out for those.

[bupanishad2012]

How about specific books and texts?

I can't name any myself, but there are probably many that are available.
"The Apocryphal Old Testament" edited by H.F.D. Sparks, Oxford University Press, Clarendon Paperbacks, is pricey (@ $40 in pb), but has the Books of Enoch and many other valuable texts. Also, on line you will find these books at:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/enoch.htm

[RabbiBarry]

At long last, I received a book from Amazon that I had been waiting for over six months. I have begun to review the book, but there is little doubt in my mind that it is a must for those of us trying to return the believers in Yeshua to the truth. The name and information follow:

The Pre-Nicene New Testament: Fifty Four Formative Texts by Robert M. Price ISBN 1-56085-194-5

This book contains the books that should have been or were accepted into the canonical Christian writings. It includes the reconstructed Gospel according to the Hebrews, the Gospel of Marcion, the Shepherd of Hermas, and a number of other books that must have been considered as well as new translations of all the standard New Testament books.

[dark_knight]

Thanks for hint rabbi! I'll be looking for it.

[miseretur]

Arius: Heresy and Tradition
by Rowan Williams :idea:

[David Kone]

I recommend John Maynard Keynes' Newton, the Man http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Keynes_Newton.html and Newton's Arian beliefs http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Newton_Arian.html.

Isaac Newton, who was one of the greatist scientist of all time, spent most of his life studying theology.

"Now Newton, who felt that his mission was more to study religion than science, certainly did not stop at reading the King James version of the Bible, but rather read all original versions he could, learning the necessary ancient languages." - Newton's Arian beliefs.

[Danage]

"Isaac Newton, who was one of the greatist scientist of all time, spent most of his life studying theology.

"Now Newton, who felt that his mission was more to study religion than science, certainly did not stop at reading the King James version of the Bible, but rather read all original versions he could, learning the necessary ancient languages." - Newton's Arian beliefs."

Sir Isaac Newton is very highly thought of amongest Historicist Protestants, despite their Trinitarian beliefs.

Despite being the greatest scientist (in my opinion) his books on Daniel and theology are ignored. Newton is seen as a ind of prophet by the Historicists, which sounds strange. They know he held Arian beliefs, but the Protestants who see Newton as being a 'prophet' may be Semi-Arian or Binitarian.

[brotherkev]

For early church study, and I stay to early Anti-Nicene fathers and thier writings

like 'The Early Church Fathers'
http://biblestudy.churches.net/CCEL/FATHERS2/INDEX.HTM

The New Advent site, that goes by 'author' and is a pretty detailed site
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/

here's an interesting chronology of the Arian 'controversy'.. look at the date 318/319, which is when things really start to heat up
http://ecole.evansville.edu/arians/arianchr.htm

[Reality]

Hi,

I want to express my thanks to all for the tremendous references and study suggestions along with the great book lists mentioned.

I recently read a fantastic book, which I would like to add to the lists. It is
"When Jesus Became God: The Struggle to Define Christianity during the Last Days of Rome"
by Richard E. Rubenstein.

This book was instrumental in leading me to look into Arianism and to ultimately locate this great resourceful website and forum. It made me aware that the teachings of Arius and others, whose beliefs were not orthodox, were in fact in the majority rather than the minority. It was a shock to learn that, at one time, the trinitarian belief was not the norm. This book is also rather fast-moving and exciting as it takes you thorough some eventful early Christian history.

Nadine

[Matt2817]

Dear ones, grace and peace!

Please find below a few offerings of Ante-Nicene resources, available both online or from amazon.

Christian Classics Etherial Library (http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html)<-- link is to the Early Church Fathers section of the website.

A browser search for early church fathers will yield many results pertinent to our conversation. There is a 10 volume set available from amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Ante-Nicene-Fathers-Volumes-Alexander-Roberts/dp/1565630823), new it costs $299 USD; used from $95 USD.

Two other texts I used while studying for orders are:

Early Christian Doctrine, by J.N.D. Kelly, Haper San Francisco,
ISBN 0-06-064334

Doctrine And Practice In The Early Church, by Stuart G. Hall, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., ISBN 0-8028-0629-5

Another excellent read, albeit fraught with some confusion regarding the concept of Arius' christology as opposed to a Unititarian Universalist christology is When Jesus Became God: The Struggle to Define Christianity during the Last Days of Rome , by Richard Rubenstein

ISBN-10: 0156013150
ISBN-13: 978-0156013154

We may also do well to examine The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture: The Effect of Early Christological Controversies on the Text of the New Testament , by Bart D. Ehrman

ISBN-10: 0195102797
ISBN-13: 978-0195102796

These should be enough to whet our appetite while assisting us in getting back to our spiritual roots.

In blessing, bless
Wayne Matthew

[LeviathanNI]

I'm new to this whole idea, but keen to learn and expand my knowledge.. I am going away for 4 months and am only allowed one book. What do you suggest?

I know my buddies will be interested in this as well, and the Padre will take an interest, so it has to be something of substance, that I can use as reference during talks.

[Postulare42]

As suggested elsewhere:

"The Lost Religion of Jesus" by Keith Akers

"Jews, God and History" by Max I. Dimont

"When Jesus Became God: The Struggle to Define Christianity During The Last Days Of Rome"
by Richard E. Rubenstein

"The Book of J" by Harold Bloom and David Rosenberg

"The Gospel of the Ebionites" by Bernhard Pick

and

"Reaching Out: The Three movements Of The Spritual Life" by Henri Nouwen

Inexpesive used copies available through: amazon.com

[miseretur]

I recommend to all who want to know something about Jesus. The book is an academic and scientific, and therefore suitable for many researchers.
Book is also suitable for devotional materials, and teaching preparation.
In fact, I read a translation of the book, because I am Finnish.
:-)The author has visited, in Finland, but I have not had the lectures


Richard. T. France: The Evidence Of Jesus.

[Postulare42]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gnvQwIA7H0

[Hermes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gnvQwIA7H0

Cool video, but not exactly a book. ;)

EDIT: Oh wait, there is actually a title of a book there.

[Postulare42]

"Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't Know About Them)" by Bart D. Ehrman (http://www.amazon.com/Bart-D.-Ehrman/e/B001I9RR7G/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1)

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Interrupted-Revealing-Hidden-Contradictions/dp/B002T44ZZG/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1