dark_knight
3rd February 2007, 11:29 AM
This thread is to state my own belief system as Arian in Christology and in it's fundamental nature. If I am incorrect, it serves to point out these issues which are, or are not, inclusive on Arianism.
I am quoting some ancient and modern arian creeds and adding my remarks after them.
First Arian Confession (Antioch, 341 AD)
For we have been taught from the first, to believe in one God, the God of the Universe, the Framer and Preserver of all things both intellectual and sensible.
And in One Son of God, Only-begotten, who existed before all ages, and was with the Father who had begotten Him, by whom all things were made, both visible and invisible, who in the last days according to the good pleasure of the Father came down; and has taken flesh of the Virgin, and jointly fulfilled all His Father’s will, and suffered and risen again, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father, and cometh again to judge quick and dead, and remaineth King and God unto all ages.
And we believe also in the Holy Ghost; and if it be necessary to add, we believe concerning the resurrection of the flesh, and the life everlasting.*
I agree with this Arian Creed
*This points out, that my belief in the Resurrection of the Flesh is not foreing to ancient arianism. In the other Arians Creeds, there are also hints of the 'Age to Come' when Christ will rule.
Third Arian Confession (Antioch, 341 AD)
God knows, whom I call as a witness upon my soul, that so I believe:- in God the Father Almighty, the Creator and Maker of the Universe, from whom are all things.
And in His Only-begotten Son, Word, Power, and Wisdom, our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things; who has been begotten from the Father before the ages, perfect God from perfect God*, and was with God in subsistence, and in the last days descended, and was born of the Virgin according to the Scriptures, and was made man, and suffered, and rose again from the dead, and ascended into the heavens, and sat down on the right hand of His Father, and cometh again with glory and power to judge quick and dead, and remaineth for ever:
And in the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, the Spirit of truth (John 15:26), which also God promised by His Prophet to pour out (Joel 2:28) upon His servants, and the Lord promised to send to His disciples: which also He sent, as the Acts of the Apostles witness**.
But if any one teaches, or holds in his mind, aught beside this faith, be he anathema; or with Marcellus of Ancyra, or Sabellius, or Paul of Samosata, be he anathemas both himself and those who communicate with him.
*Only thing in this creed that I am at unease is this verse. Even so, I could accept it, if it is interpret to mean that the Word, as he was directly made by God the Father, is different kind of creature and is the "perfect radiation" of the Father.
This creed shows that the Paraclete is the Spirit which is poured. Thus this creed is incompatible with Moslem claim that the Paraclete was Mohammad.
Also this creed anathemizes Paul of Samosata, thus makin clear that Arians are not 'judaizers'. The Fifth Arian Confesson also makes this clear.
**Ancient Arians did not apparently reject the Acts - the Acts tell us about Paul of Tarsos.
Let it be said that on the Sixth Arian Confession, I have many troubles accepting it. Perhaps I will go in them profoundly other time - This first post in this thread is to define whether I am an Arian or not.
The [Modern] Arian Catholic Creed
I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD,
Creator of Heaven and earth,
And of all things visible and invisible.
And in his Spiritual Son*, Jesus Christ,
Whom was born of Mary and Joseph**,
Was not consubstantial nor co-eternal with God the Father almighty,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, died, and was buried.
On the third day His Spirit was resurrected.
He ascended into Heaven,
And sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty.
Whence he shall come again to judge the living and the dead,
Of whose Kingdom there shall be no end.
And I believe in the Holy Spirit,
The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church,
The communion of saints,
The forgiveness of sins,
The resurrection of the Spirit***,
And life everlasting.
Amen
* I would add that Jesus was also a Son of God by the generation bedore the ages, and by divine intervention to his birth
** As I am a believer in the Virgin Birth, I would replace "and" with "to"
*** I would add, "and the Body" as the ancient Arian Church and the Bible attests.
Other than these, I am with agreement with this Creed.
Other assertations of my Theology, arian in nature, extracted from old posts of mine from another forum.
"my Divinity-theology and Christology is in a nut shell this:
I subscribe and adhere the Shema of Israel, that Yahweh, my God is only ONE. He is One in person, in glory and worthy to receive ultimate worship.
Jesus Christ was prior to his Incarnation a personal entity called the Wisdom and the Word. He was not an angel (in particular sense) and neither was he the God Almighty. Jesus was first-born, begotten Son of God.
He was begotten again in the womb of virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit (which I believe is the power of God - when referred as person, He is the very person of Unipersonal Yahweh).
When Jesus walked on earth, he did not only appear to be a man, but was a man - he was a 100 % man - only without sin like Adam before he fell. Jesus had his "previous life" in Divine Dimension, but abandoned it and took the form of a servant, the very form and nature of the man, thus being the Son of (Hu)man and the antilutron or the corresponding price of ransom for all of humanity."
furthermore I wrote...
"Let me clear the picture of my view on Jesus Christ more:
- I do not believe that preincarnate Christ was the God Yahweh
- Pre-existent Christ is a creature, but different kind a creature than anyone else, because all other things are created thru (not "by") him. (John 1. , Col. 1.)
- Christ was the Logos and also called the Wisdom - but this does not mean that Christ as a Wisdom is the Wisdom of God, as a part of God and his quality, but rather a name or term. (Prov.8.)
- Bible tells that there are many 'gods' and lords [or those who are called as such] (this very term used somewhere in 2.Cor.) and even people are called gods. Pre-incarnate Christ was El Gibbor, "a mighty god", i.e divine creature.
- There is only One Yahweh. He is the only source of energy and life force. His is the Holy Spirit. He is the only El Elyon. He is only who lives without beginning, providing all things to all others (including his Son).
- What Jesus was prior to his birth to earth as a fully human? He was the Son of God, firstborn of creation! Lord of the angels, not "an angel", but "the Angel of Yahweh", who moved before the House of Israel in the wilderness.
- From the Bible I recognize that many a creature are called "gods", but no one else is called Yahweh, the only true God. This Unipersonal God of Israel I worship."
I am quoting some ancient and modern arian creeds and adding my remarks after them.
First Arian Confession (Antioch, 341 AD)
For we have been taught from the first, to believe in one God, the God of the Universe, the Framer and Preserver of all things both intellectual and sensible.
And in One Son of God, Only-begotten, who existed before all ages, and was with the Father who had begotten Him, by whom all things were made, both visible and invisible, who in the last days according to the good pleasure of the Father came down; and has taken flesh of the Virgin, and jointly fulfilled all His Father’s will, and suffered and risen again, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father, and cometh again to judge quick and dead, and remaineth King and God unto all ages.
And we believe also in the Holy Ghost; and if it be necessary to add, we believe concerning the resurrection of the flesh, and the life everlasting.*
I agree with this Arian Creed
*This points out, that my belief in the Resurrection of the Flesh is not foreing to ancient arianism. In the other Arians Creeds, there are also hints of the 'Age to Come' when Christ will rule.
Third Arian Confession (Antioch, 341 AD)
God knows, whom I call as a witness upon my soul, that so I believe:- in God the Father Almighty, the Creator and Maker of the Universe, from whom are all things.
And in His Only-begotten Son, Word, Power, and Wisdom, our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things; who has been begotten from the Father before the ages, perfect God from perfect God*, and was with God in subsistence, and in the last days descended, and was born of the Virgin according to the Scriptures, and was made man, and suffered, and rose again from the dead, and ascended into the heavens, and sat down on the right hand of His Father, and cometh again with glory and power to judge quick and dead, and remaineth for ever:
And in the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, the Spirit of truth (John 15:26), which also God promised by His Prophet to pour out (Joel 2:28) upon His servants, and the Lord promised to send to His disciples: which also He sent, as the Acts of the Apostles witness**.
But if any one teaches, or holds in his mind, aught beside this faith, be he anathema; or with Marcellus of Ancyra, or Sabellius, or Paul of Samosata, be he anathemas both himself and those who communicate with him.
*Only thing in this creed that I am at unease is this verse. Even so, I could accept it, if it is interpret to mean that the Word, as he was directly made by God the Father, is different kind of creature and is the "perfect radiation" of the Father.
This creed shows that the Paraclete is the Spirit which is poured. Thus this creed is incompatible with Moslem claim that the Paraclete was Mohammad.
Also this creed anathemizes Paul of Samosata, thus makin clear that Arians are not 'judaizers'. The Fifth Arian Confesson also makes this clear.
**Ancient Arians did not apparently reject the Acts - the Acts tell us about Paul of Tarsos.
Let it be said that on the Sixth Arian Confession, I have many troubles accepting it. Perhaps I will go in them profoundly other time - This first post in this thread is to define whether I am an Arian or not.
The [Modern] Arian Catholic Creed
I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD,
Creator of Heaven and earth,
And of all things visible and invisible.
And in his Spiritual Son*, Jesus Christ,
Whom was born of Mary and Joseph**,
Was not consubstantial nor co-eternal with God the Father almighty,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, died, and was buried.
On the third day His Spirit was resurrected.
He ascended into Heaven,
And sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty.
Whence he shall come again to judge the living and the dead,
Of whose Kingdom there shall be no end.
And I believe in the Holy Spirit,
The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church,
The communion of saints,
The forgiveness of sins,
The resurrection of the Spirit***,
And life everlasting.
Amen
* I would add that Jesus was also a Son of God by the generation bedore the ages, and by divine intervention to his birth
** As I am a believer in the Virgin Birth, I would replace "and" with "to"
*** I would add, "and the Body" as the ancient Arian Church and the Bible attests.
Other than these, I am with agreement with this Creed.
Other assertations of my Theology, arian in nature, extracted from old posts of mine from another forum.
"my Divinity-theology and Christology is in a nut shell this:
I subscribe and adhere the Shema of Israel, that Yahweh, my God is only ONE. He is One in person, in glory and worthy to receive ultimate worship.
Jesus Christ was prior to his Incarnation a personal entity called the Wisdom and the Word. He was not an angel (in particular sense) and neither was he the God Almighty. Jesus was first-born, begotten Son of God.
He was begotten again in the womb of virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit (which I believe is the power of God - when referred as person, He is the very person of Unipersonal Yahweh).
When Jesus walked on earth, he did not only appear to be a man, but was a man - he was a 100 % man - only without sin like Adam before he fell. Jesus had his "previous life" in Divine Dimension, but abandoned it and took the form of a servant, the very form and nature of the man, thus being the Son of (Hu)man and the antilutron or the corresponding price of ransom for all of humanity."
furthermore I wrote...
"Let me clear the picture of my view on Jesus Christ more:
- I do not believe that preincarnate Christ was the God Yahweh
- Pre-existent Christ is a creature, but different kind a creature than anyone else, because all other things are created thru (not "by") him. (John 1. , Col. 1.)
- Christ was the Logos and also called the Wisdom - but this does not mean that Christ as a Wisdom is the Wisdom of God, as a part of God and his quality, but rather a name or term. (Prov.8.)
- Bible tells that there are many 'gods' and lords [or those who are called as such] (this very term used somewhere in 2.Cor.) and even people are called gods. Pre-incarnate Christ was El Gibbor, "a mighty god", i.e divine creature.
- There is only One Yahweh. He is the only source of energy and life force. His is the Holy Spirit. He is the only El Elyon. He is only who lives without beginning, providing all things to all others (including his Son).
- What Jesus was prior to his birth to earth as a fully human? He was the Son of God, firstborn of creation! Lord of the angels, not "an angel", but "the Angel of Yahweh", who moved before the House of Israel in the wilderness.
- From the Bible I recognize that many a creature are called "gods", but no one else is called Yahweh, the only true God. This Unipersonal God of Israel I worship."